It isn't terrible the author himself was born a hempaphrodite and 'forcibly gendered' In fact the book is written for transgender and intersex people who strongly feel this way. It was a transformation but aganist the deities will. Identity means a lot to people and thus killing that kills a part of the self.
The whole book is written in his experince.

It was my fault. I should have looked up a more accepeted and clear version instead.

But it does make sense that it could be written more clearly, so that mistakes are not made. However it was stated that it should be read as an intersex and transgender workbook and not a study book of deities.

Yes, I do think that being forcibly gendered is terrible...I wasn't debating the nature of the story, just the source behind it. I think transgendered people who do feel strongly should have be able to have their say. I just don't think it's ok to change a story to fit an agenda, and that applies to everyone regardless of who they are (LGBT or not). Your initial statement clearly stated that Dionysios killed Agdistis, a mythos that does not seem to exist outside the authors experience...and that's fine, I place a lot of value on experience over academia. But I was still curious about whether this version did exist in historical texts because by nature I am a bit of an academic, hence my questions.

I'm sorry if you feel I have expressed any intolerance, my statements were purely academic and about the sources.

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The simple moral of the story is don't present experience as fact, unless you're prepared to back it up. There are a lot of people here who take mythos seriously, I'm sure I'm not the only one, so to present a new and modern myth as "this is what happened" is never going to sit well with me. But neither does implying I'm intolerant because I question it, so heh.

In the interests of fairness, I would suggest that people who are interested check out the other versions too if they want the whole picture rather than one peron's agenda.

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My wife and I own all of Kaldera's books, including Hermaphrodeities. The book takes the UPGs of intersex and transgender practitioners and presents them in chapters relevant to specific deities. I took issue with a few "facts" about Lilith and Baphomet which are actually experiences and not part of the recorded mythos. It isn't relative, but I don't like a lot of Kaldera's holier-than-thou attitudes in most of his books, especially when he insinuates over and over how privileged Shamanists are and how much more special third-gender people are.

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If I had known this from the start, this thread would have been a lot shorter...and I also wouldn't now be surrounded by lots of dusty mythos books! Never mind, I quite like dusty books

Thanks for the info Torey, I will continue to avoid Kaldera's books I reckon.

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Listen and in thine heart engrave my words; Keep closed thine eye and ear 'gainst prejudice;
Of others the example fear; think always for thyself: Consult, deliberate, and freely choose.
Let fools act aimlessly and without cause. Thou shouldst, in the present, contemplate the future.

(The Golden Verses of Pythagoras - D'Olivet)