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 Post subject: Obama's Jobs Bill
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:33 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Jobs Bill
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http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/09/08 ... ill-speec/

This is a link to 6 key points in the bill

There are always parts I'm going to agree with and disagree with. Right now education is what really gets me. I live in Wisconsin and our new governor made massive cuts to education. Which not only urked me as a parent but if you talk to any educator employed or unemployed they are not thrilled about it either. It also effected the teacher's union because he took away many of their union rights as well. I would really like to see laid off teachers put back to work so class sizes would be smaller again and I can be assured my son gets the education he deserves. I agree with the president, how will our children be able to get any kind of decent employment with a bad education system in place. I also like the tax credit given to companies that hire long term unemployed individuals, because those are the people who usually get passed over because of the gap in between jobs.

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Education is the most sensitive issue to me. There are reasons I want out if the profession. One is that I have not been successsfull in landing a job and two I am fed up with the education system, who thinks they are smarter than the kids and i venture to say there not. The studentsare the ones I feel bad for.

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Was off doing other things last night (cleaning parts of the house and clicking around the forum to learn some more new things :D ~ yeah, so any hoo I never did get a chance to watch President Obama's speech so pulled it up and watched it today ~ Makes a lot of sense,,,,My question is "How much tinkering do they need to do to Social Security/Medicare (not that they couldn't use some reforms but not at the expense of the poor) to "adjust" a balance budget for this bill? Overall, I hope it gets passed and I hope it starts helping those that need it and doing what the President envisions. I just have one other problem,,,,most of the "HAVES" don't want to give up anything to the "HAVE NOTS" ~ I'm not seeing too many CEO's forking over their bonuses to help their own employees. Case in point, Bank of America plans on laying off 10% of its workforce in a restructure and they profitted how much last year and paid out what in bonuses??

Well, Lindsey posted a great link for the points of Obama's speech but for those who have missed it and would like to see it here's the link I had sent to me,,,,
http://www.barackobama.com/page/aja-spe ... fc3ec&emai

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Jobs Bill
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My first thought is, what the heck took him so long? Unemployment has been high for several years now.
As to the content of the bill, the only pieces that make economic sense are the ones about infrastructure spending, if done quickly. At least they have a chance of getting some people to work quickly.
The tax cuts/credits are nice symbolic gesture, but won't do much for job creation. Companies hire when they need work done and they only need work done if they have enough paying customers. Tax cuts/credits, especially temporary ones, generally do little to propel hiring decisions. Incidentally, wasn't that the Democrats' argument that tax cuts don't lead to job creation during the debate to let the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire? And now they think their tax cuts/credits will do exactly that?
Overall, I see this more as the start of a discussion than a real useful plan.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Jobs Bill
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Companies hire when they need work done and they only need work done if they have enough paying customers. Tax cuts/credits, especially temporary ones, generally do little to propel hiring decisions. Incidentally, wasn't that the Democrats' argument that tax cuts don't lead to job creation during the debate to let the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire? And now they think their tax cuts/credits will do exactly that?
Overall, I see this more as the start of a discussion than a real useful plan.

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I don't mean to rehash this conversation. But this is something I laugh about everyday. This is the biggest cop out for the republicans just not wanting their taxes to go up and for the money to come out of THEIR pockets. Their argument is that THEY are the rich ones, therefor THEY are the job creators. If we make them pay more in taxes they won't be able to pay as many people to work for them. I live in wisconsin and Paul Ryan is one of the Republicans that leads one of the fiscal comitees....my answer to him is okay then, "how many jobs in wisconsin have you created, because half the people I know here are still unemployed!"

Yeah Cop-out! I said it... none of those politicans are job creators... they are just greedy!

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Jobs Bill
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Lindsay, I think I didn't make myself clear. I was trying to say, the Bush tax cuts didn't create jobs, so why would Pres. Obama think his tax cuts would? If the demand is there, tax rates are a secondary consideration for a business and if the demand isn't there, the point is mute.
I think the best way for any change on taxes to help the economy is to simplify the tax code, standardize the approach among all the states as much as possible and stabilize the rates for the long-term instead of this temporary piecemeal approach.
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Sequoia Mist wrote:
I think the best way for any change on taxes to help the economy is to simplify the tax code, standardize the approach among all the states as much as possible and stabilize the rates for the long-term instead of this temporary piecemeal approach.
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I am 100% behind reforming the tax codes ~ its such a joy to do our state sales tax reports with every county having a different rate :hair pull: ~ as to the federal rates why is it that every working man, woman & child have to pay until $106,000.00 into SSI and anyone above that and the rich people get to stop paying? Most US households with combined incomes rarely make that much ~ not in our part of the country anyway as my hubby & I combined make less than $40,000.00/year. And that the average person is in the 30% tax bracket where with loopholes and special breaks most rich people pay no tax or less than 18% ~ there is just something terribly wrong with that.
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 Post subject: Re: Obama's Jobs Bill
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I have said this before but let me reiterate. If Bush's tax cuts boosted the economy, then how is it that the economy took a dive when these cuts are still in place. And if lower tax rated lead to higher tax revenue, was any of that extra revenue used to pay down the national debtand if so why is it at a record high. As stated, the economy depends more on supply and demand than government policy.

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There have been a lot of good points made on this thread. Just wanted to put in my two cents also.
1. supply and demand do play a huge part in the economy. But if the people don't have money to spend the demand won't be there.
2. Before Obama got elected and went into office, we were heading for the downfall. But we also have to remember that just months after Bush got elected we had the most horrifying event take place, 9/11. And when he came into office, Clinton had already started us on the downside.
3. Taxes, medicare, medicaid, social security - all need to be fixed and realigned.
4. Until we, the people, start taking the time to thoroughly research and know who we are putting into these positions of power, things will never be right. We have to remember that we put them there and WE CAN TAKE THEM OUT! We are the ones who pay for them to be up there doing what they are doing. We can put a stop to it. But until we gather as one united front and let them know that enough is enough, they'll keep on and on.
5. Why are we the ones continually taking pay cuts and being laid off, paying high taxes, going without? Why doesn't Congress sit and look at what they are being paid for what they do. I mean come on give me a break.
6. I know that in North Carolina, where I live, anyone elected to the House of Representatives or Senate, is automatically paid retirement after they leave office. Even if they only serve 2 or 4 years. Why can't I be paid retirement like that. Heck, I've been busting my hind end for 28 years now and I don't believe I'll ever get to retire with the way things are going.

Just a few notes from me. Can't wait to see the responses. lol!

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dianalynn you make a bunch of wonderful points, but one thing I can't help myself from commenting on is your statement about clinton. When Clinton left office we had a budget surpluse. When Bush left office we were obviously in a resession. I must place some this blame on his handeling of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. Invading Iraq and going after Hussein was completly unnessary and in my opinion he used 9/11 as a reason to settle a personal vendetta against him. His tax breaks on the wealthy also contributed to it as well. His father put us in a mess that Clinton got us out of only for the second Bush to put us back in to a much further degree.

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6. I know that in North Carolina, where I live, anyone elected to the House of Representatives or Senate, is automatically paid retirement after they leave office. Even if they only serve 2 or 4 years. Why can't I be paid retirement like that. Heck, I've been busting my hind end for 28 years now and I don't believe I'll ever get to retire with the way things are going.

So they can retire after only 2 years work and they still don't want term limits? That I can not understand. Is it power? The way I see it, you have to be miserable to be power-hungry. What are these guys laking in thier lives?

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diana lynn wrote:
There have been a lot of good points made on this thread. Just wanted to put in my two cents also.
1. supply and demand do play a huge part in the economy. But if the people don't have money to spend the demand won't be there.
Definitely need money to spend money.

2. Before Obama got elected and went into office, we were heading for the downfall. But we also have to remember that just months after Bush got elected we had the most horrifying event take place, 9/11. And when he came into office, Clinton had already started us on the downside.
In reality laws enacted during a presidency does not always take effect during their term and actually results of implementation reflect on the current administrations to a degree. Case in point would be that the healthcare law enacted will not become totally effective until 2014 and if Obama is not the president then who will the people blame ~ Obama or the residing president?

3. Taxes, medicare, medicaid, social security - all need to be fixed and realigned.
100% agreement there but all I can see are two spoiled children (our two party system) that will argue and never compromise without hurting the poor the most.

4. Until we, the people, start taking the time to thoroughly research and know who we are putting into these positions of power, things will never be right. We have to remember that we put them there and WE CAN TAKE THEM OUT! We are the ones who pay for them to be up there doing what they are doing. We can put a stop to it. But until we gather as one united front and let them know that enough is enough, they'll keep on and on.
If you don't vote, don't complain ~ plain & simple.

5. Why are we the ones continually taking pay cuts and being laid off, paying high taxes, going without? Why doesn't Congress sit and look at what they are being paid for what they do. I mean come on give me a break.
Proposed 2012 COLA for SSA benefits 1.5%, current Medicare Part B increase 3% = 1.5% LOSS on current payments,,,,hubby got a 5% pay increase and our medical premiums went up 8-3/4% = 3-3/4% LOSS in current pay. Have you checked out ALL the program cuts by both federal & state levels? The ones taking the hardest hits are the "lower middle class" and the poor. Did you know Warren Buffet, the richest man in the world paid 17% as his 2010 tax rate and his secretary who makes $60,000/yr paid in 30% ~ Tell me how messed up that is? And as Diana lynn says, who in Congress is going without a paycheck and has everyone in the country really taken a look at their pay scales/benefit packages?

6. I know that in North Carolina, where I live, anyone elected to the House of Representatives or Senate, is automatically paid retirement after they leave office. Even if they only serve 2 or 4 years. Why can't I be paid retirement like that. Heck, I've been busting my hind end for 28 years now and I don't believe I'll ever get to retire with the way things are going.
I also do not know if that applies only to NC or SD or if it applies in all states ~ I can tell you that on a federal level it does. We the people pay our representatives in Congress and their families medical benefits for the balance of their lives after they have left office but I'm not sure what's applied to medical & what's applied to retirement ~ that WE pay FOR THEM. Makes one wonder about Ron Paul's rant that we the people need to "take responsibility for ourselves" so I guess that includes taking care of them too?

Just a few notes from me. Can't wait to see the responses. lol!
I just thought it was easier to respond this way ~LOL~


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