| Author |
Message |
|
WhiteFox
|
Post subject: Obama =/= Hitler or Stalin  Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:23 pm |
|
 |
| Magicka Guardian |
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:38 am
Posts: 3232
Location: On Magicka's roof, scouting out her next tile victim
|
Not anything new, but for some reason I'm seeing this be used more and more lately online and in real life, and I just want to say something.
Please please please PLEASE do not compare Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or even Nixon to Hilter, Stalin, Fascism, or the Communist regimes. Or any of their policies to the policies created by past dictators.
It is seriously degrading to those who actually suffered under such regimes. Americans have not had to worry about being torn out of their homes like Jews and other "bad" groups were during the Holocaust, or be sent to work camps like slaves under Stalin. The last time this ever happened in America was in WW2 if you were Japanese/Japanese-descent, long before Bush and Obama came to the presidency...and even then it wasn't as bad as what others have suffered.
So yea, sorry for the preaching but this sort of talk just seems to be getting worse lately 
|
|
  |
|
 |
|
Morgane
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:38 pm |
|
|
| Magicka Guardian |
 |
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:29 pm
Posts: 3939
Location: Tir na nOg
|
|
I agree, WhiteFox.
I truly think it's a case where people are either unaware of what they are saying, or just not really thinking it through.
I do understand their base concerns, but the comparison is ludicrous and demeaning to the people who suffered.
_________________
"Now that she's back in the atmosphere
With drops of Jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that there's a time to change, hey, hey
Since the return from her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like June, hey, hey" ~ Drops of Jupiter by Train
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Jas DelaLuna
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:26 pm |
|
|
| Life Member, Mentor Assistant & E-Zine |
 |
 |
Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:50 pm
Posts: 1622
Location: Dayton, OH
|
I completely agree with you both. There is a huge difference between a president who may not be completely up to par, and a dictator who strips people of their lives and freedoms. When Obama decides to set up concentration camps THEN this might make a little more sense, but I don't see that happening 
Also, just to add on Bill Clinton (I think you mentioned him WhiteFox) he was an excellent president who did wonderful things for our economy. His ethics may have been questionable, but could a completely honest, straight, and narrow man ever make a good United States president?
I doubt it. Of course, this is just my opinion. _________________ ★ Magician☽O☾Tarot Reader☽O☾Clairvoyant ★ View my NEW blog at http://jasdelaluna.blogspot.com
Last edited by Jas DelaLuna on Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:56 am, edited 3 times in total.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Lindsay
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:03 pm |
|
|
| Magicka Life Member & Ezine Contributor |
 |
 |
Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 6:50 am
Posts: 4161
Location: Kenosha, WI
|
|
I agree too. This morning somebody posted this horribly edited video talking about how he is a muslim. And it was VERY POORLY edited. It made me mad because first of people automatically think muslims=terrorists. When the truth is that muslim terrorists account for a small percentage of muslims. It is just another example of intolerance and ignorance in some people.
_________________  Wicca Revealed Mentor PM me anytime! FOLLOW MY INSPERATIONAL BLOG!!! http://lindsayrebel.tumblr.com/
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Torey
|
Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:15 am |
|
|
| Forum Admin, Moderator & Caftan King |
 |
 |
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:40 am
Posts: 10540
Location: Adelaide, Australia
|
|
Well I like Obama and think at least he's trying to help people, even if it's not working out. People are so gall-darn stupid it makes my head spin.
_________________ PM me any time!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Jas DelaLuna
|
Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:57 am |
|
|
| Life Member, Mentor Assistant & E-Zine |
|
|
Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:50 pm
Posts: 1622
Location: Dayton, OH
|
|
I like Obama as well, also like Gore.... kinda wish we had gotten him in 2000, maybe we'd be in a better place.
_________________ ★ Magician☽O☾Tarot Reader☽O☾Clairvoyant ★ View my NEW blog at http://jasdelaluna.blogspot.com
|
|
| |
|
|
|
LinaB
|
Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:28 pm |
|
|
| Magicka Guardian & Life Member |
 |
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:53 pm
Posts: 2522
Location: Frolicking amidst the faeries...
|
|
People are always trying to single out the leader of the "free world" as someone with malicious intentions. This time it just happens to be Obama, whom I think doesn't have any similarities to Stalin or Hitler for that matter.
Some folks just have nothing better to do.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Morgane
|
Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:57 pm |
|
|
| Magicka Guardian |
|
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:29 pm
Posts: 3939
Location: Tir na nOg
|
You know, it's okay to disagree with Obama, or any other president...
I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt and taking everything into consideration. I try very hard to keep in mind that the US didn't get in the condition it is in overnight, nor did he put us in the position we are in. While I don't agree with everything that he's doing, that's really nothing new, in the big scheme of things.
Bush made me want to pull all my hair out strand by strand... 
But, it seems to me that people are getting really really really out there in their expressions of disdain for Obama. The ones who have it in for him are going overboard with it, more so than I ever remember seeing before. Or is it my imagination?
Do they not realize that when they come across as psychotic zealots they lose their credibility?
_________________
"Now that she's back in the atmosphere
With drops of Jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that there's a time to change, hey, hey
Since the return from her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like June, hey, hey" ~ Drops of Jupiter by Train
|
|
| |
|
|
|
LinaB
|
Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:43 pm |
|
|
| Magicka Guardian & Life Member |
|
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:53 pm
Posts: 2522
Location: Frolicking amidst the faeries...
|
Morgane wrote: Bush made me want to pull all my hair out strand by strand...
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ISO2
|
Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:23 am |
|
|
| Geburah Sephira (Severity) |
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 1110
Location: Baltimore MD
|
Interesting that you bring that up White Fox. To that I would like to add the following link which is an article published in 2004. It is a rather radical strain of thought but worthy some discussion:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5648.htm
let me know what you all think...
_________________
timendi causa est nescire
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Torey
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:48 am |
|
|
| Forum Admin, Moderator & Caftan King |
|
|
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:40 am
Posts: 10540
Location: Adelaide, Australia
|
ISO2 wrote: Interesting that you bring that up White Fox. To that I would like to add the following link which is an article published in 2004. It is a rather radical strain of thought but worthy some discussion: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5648.htmlet me know what you all think... Wow. I didn't know some of that about Bush and his Administration. But it doesn't surprise me at all. I've heard elsewhere that many nations are amused at America's fundamentalism. I keep saying it, but I'm really glad I'm going to moving abroad. _________________ PM me any time!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Morgane
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:07 am |
|
|
| Magicka Guardian |
|
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:29 pm
Posts: 3939
Location: Tir na nOg
|
Torey wrote: I keep saying it, but I'm really glad I'm going to moving abroad.
And some days I really wonder why I'm so determined to return... 
_________________
"Now that she's back in the atmosphere
With drops of Jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that there's a time to change, hey, hey
Since the return from her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like June, hey, hey" ~ Drops of Jupiter by Train
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ISO2
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:49 am |
|
|
| Geburah Sephira (Severity) |
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 1110
Location: Baltimore MD
|
|
Torey, what fascinates me is the speed of development of this country. European countries took thousands of years to form, to reach a zenith in reach and power and then return to the middle if you will. The US exists for a couple hundred of years and many would argue that it already has reached its zenith and the downswing came with the war in Vietnam. It is fascinating to follow and observe and wonder where this will lead to. At the moment you have the explosive mix of economic downturn, disillusion with wars fought elsewhere and religious radicalization. We have seen one possible outcome in Europe of the 1920s and 1930s. Germany was the most extreme outcome of course but the fascism and leadership cult swept all across Europe with dictatorial regimes in many more countries. Even the few democratic countries like the UK brought forth an almost larger than life figure in Winston Churchill. At that time people were looking for that type of leadership personalities. I think Bush tried to stylize himself in that fashion, he just never had the charismatic appeal of these leaders. And never doubt that even the most evil leaders like Stalin and especially Hitler had vast charismatic appeal. Not to excuse any of doings of The Third Reich, and those who know me for a while know how strongly I feel about that, but Hitlers public speeches were true masterpieces in mass manipulation...
_________________
timendi causa est nescire
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Torey
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:08 pm |
|
|
| Forum Admin, Moderator & Caftan King |
|
|
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:40 am
Posts: 10540
Location: Adelaide, Australia
|
You make a good point about the time frame, ISO2. I didn't think of it that way. The US did seem to just explode with all kinds of advancements and...then what?
ISO2 wrote: Not to excuse any of doings of The Third Reich, and those who know me for a while know how strongly I feel about that, but Hitlers public speeches were true masterpieces in mass manipulation...
I agree. I have been on a WWII kick lately and was just reading his speeches tonight... _________________ PM me any time!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Jas DelaLuna
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:38 pm |
|
|
| Life Member, Mentor Assistant & E-Zine |
|
|
Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:50 pm
Posts: 1622
Location: Dayton, OH
|
ISO2 wrote: Torey, what fascinates me is the speed of development of this country. European countries took thousands of years to form, to reach a zenith in reach and power and then return to the middle if you will. The US exists for a couple hundred of years and many would argue that it already has reached its zenith and the downswing came with the war in Vietnam. It is fascinating to follow and observe and wonder where this will lead to. At the moment you have the explosive mix of economic downturn, disillusion with wars fought elsewhere and religious radicalization. We have seen one possible outcome in Europe of the 1920s and 1930s. Germany was the most extreme outcome of course but the fascism and leadership cult swept all across Europe with dictatorial regimes in many more countries. Even the few democratic countries like the UK brought forth an almost larger than life figure in Winston Churchill. At that time people were looking for that type of leadership personalities. I think Bush tried to stylize himself in that fashion, he just never had the charismatic appeal of these leaders. And never doubt that even the most evil leaders like Stalin and especially Hitler had vast charismatic appeal. Not to excuse any of doings of The Third Reich, and those who know me for a while know how strongly I feel about that, but Hitlers public speeches were true masterpieces in mass manipulation...
I agree ISO2. America has so rapidly advanced in its development so early in its life that is is already experiencing is downward spiral. I agree it is facinating to wonder what the future of America holds. However, there is something to be said about a country that advanced so rapidly post-conception, just as there is much to be said about countries that have stood the test of time. _________________ ★ Magician☽O☾Tarot Reader☽O☾Clairvoyant ★ View my NEW blog at http://jasdelaluna.blogspot.com
|
|
| |
|
|
|
