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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:20 am 
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i've seen some ogham sticks on ebay and i'm really intrigued by them. i know they are a form of divination, but would really like to know more. has anyone used them before?


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I wrote this as one of my research projects. I hope that you will find it useful. may i just also note that it may be best if you create your own ogham sticks as they will be more effective and personal. They are often very easy to make depending upon the style that you are after.


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Advanced Wicca Research 1: Ogham

Advanced Wicca Course
Research project 1: The Ogham
By Crystal Arianhod

According to Simon Ager about 500 Ogham inscriptions have been found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England dating from between the 4th and 7th centuries AD. While all surviving traces of Ogham are inscriptions on stone, it was probably more commonly inscribed on sticks, stakes and trees. The word ogham includes:
• A Celtic alphabet of twenty-five characters often used in stone and wood
• A group of twenty sacred trees that give names to the letters of the ogham alphabet
• A calendar of thirteen months named for some of the trees
• A set of divination cards used much like the tarot except with the symbolism and depiction of the ogham and its associated trees and plants.
• A purported system of hand-signing used by Druids that relates to the alphabet.
• A system of divination used with the ogham symbols of pieces of wood used much like the runes

Within the alphabet each letter is named and associated after a tree or other plant and has a number of other associations. When written the letters are linked together by a solid line, which represents the trunk of a tree, while the letters themselves represent branches or twigs. The lines are frequently vertical. Following are the simplivised meanings of the letters:
Birch/Beth Purification, cleansing, new beginnings
Rowan/Luis Protection, instinctual knowledge
Alder/Fearn Decisions to be made; contact with the spiritual world
Willow/Saille Equalibrium, attaining balance
Ash/Nuin Restriction or limitations
Hawthorn/Huatha temporary limitations; obstacles
Oak/Duir Strength, endurance
Holly/Tinne unity; courage; guidance
Hazel/Colle Creativity, energy, "flow."
Apple/Quert Choices, a fork in the road
Vine/Muin (blackberry) Insight, spiritual growth
Ivy/Gort tread carefully; caution
Reed/Ngetal disturbance, disruption, surprises
Blackthorn/straif confusion, strife
Elder/Ruis endings, timelessness
Elm/Silver fir Foresight, perspective
Furze/Onn Discovery, abundance, goals met
Heather/Ura Rest, suspension, hibernation
White Poplar/Eadha endurance; speech or communication
Yew/Idho change, endings, maturation

References:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/ogham.htm
http://www.somersetpagan.org/Ogham.html
http://altreligion.about.com/library/we ... 22203a.htm

Recommended reading:
Liz & Colin Murray, The Celtic Tree Oracle, Rider Books, London, 1988.
Sean O'Boyle, Ogam: The Poet's Secret, Gilbert Dalton, Dublin, 1980

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thankyou for that crystal. do you mind if i put the extra associations in my book of shadows? i have the names of the letters, their trees and the latin names of the trees, the letters they represent and a few of the meanings, but there is info in your post that i don't have. so do you mind if i use it for my book of shadows and sepher sephiroth?


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A Sepher Sephiroth is a book of words and their meanings and the principle is Qabalistic in origin, right?

But yes go right ahead in using what you wish of my quote, though please note that credit is due to the references provided.

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yeah the sepher sephiroth is so i can record correspondances. i found a site that gives correspondances of celtic tree months, which are of course represented by an ogham letter, and it gives associated gods, ruling planet, celtic symbol, tarot card, and way more. i don't know if your doing the kabbalah course, but letters of the hebrew alphabet correspond to tarot cards. so some of your information could really help with that. anyway, i'm babbling because i've not had much sleep and way too much coffee! and don't worry, i will give credit where its due! i always list my sources (where applicable) so i can do more research if i need to. and i'm still babbling!!!!!
ps i have some more sites about ogham if you want them. one site has a ton of 'occult alphabets', including pictish! let me know if you want the addresses.


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This is great info, thanks :D


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come to think of it, i have a good book about ogham and coelbren, its a fascinating read. its called 'Ogham and Coelbren, keys to the Celtic Mysteries' by Nigel Pennick. I'm also doing some research into Bobileth (or Boibel-Leth), a celtic aplhabet that came after ogham, as well as 'occult alphabets' in general. i've got quite a few research projects going at the moment!


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Thanks for the offer whiteraven, those sites certainly would be interesting to have a look at. But to be honest when it comes to things like the ogham (which btw I’m rather new too as well) I prefer to try and limit the amount of research I do upon them at least in the early stages. I do this so that I do not become influenced too much by pre-definitions and attempt to uncover the ogham through trance and meditation instead; so that I can uncover its symbols and correspondences that are unique and personal to me instead of what literature might dictate. I like to use this method with also the Tarot, the trees, the Sabbats and general magickal correspondences. Though I totally agree with reading up and researching upon them first, but as I said I limit it with certain things until I am certain that I have uncovered what I can without threat of suggestion or influence. But in the future I would certainly like to take a look at those sites, but at present I’m still in the early stages of uncovering the ogham.

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i'm kinda the opposite, i dive right in and immerse myself in it! I love doing research and i just suck it all up like a sponge and i tend to remember most of what i read.
i'll find those links for you and you can just look at them when you like.
I was actually thinking of doing a presentation about ogham and a few other 'occult alphabets' and posting it on magicka.


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ok, here are some good sites i've found:
http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/ogham/alphabet.htm
this one has two different kinds of written Ogham, and also details finger ogham as a form of sign language and divination.

http://homepage.mac.com/antallan/oguses.html
this one has information about finger ogham too. and also touches on Cossagam (leg ogham) and Sron-Ogham (nose Ogham). It also has some history.

i'm a bit of an 'ordered chaos' kinda gal, so i'll rumage through my favourites as i know have have something like 5 or so other sites. I'll post em as i find em!


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Thanks ever so much whiteraven

Btw that presentation about the occult alphabets sounds really interesting. How do you prefer to use them? Do you write your BOS with them or keep them to be used within magickal workings or on items? Are there other things that they can be used for?

Also your memory capacity when you do your research sounds amazing. Do you have any tips that your willing to share?

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another site with alot of useful links:
http://silverwolf.batcave.net/Ogham/OghamLinks.html

I prefer to use 'mystical alphabets' for magickal workings mainly (although, i don't get to do many!). But i have been known to use runes, the alphabet of the magi (many, many years ago!) and ogham to 'encrypt' sensitive or powerful entries into my book of shadows and even my diaries. At school i even came up with my own little alphabet with a combination of runes, greek and some magickal symbols.
the memory thing, i don't know how i do it. i've always had a good memory for things i see, hear or read. i think part of it is association. music helps me concentrate, so the part of the song playing when i read something helps it stay in my memory. i do have certain music i like to play when researching. they are songs i know, so i don't need to concentrate on the words or beat.
Also, I have this wierd thing about the number four. when i was a kid i did alot of things in four sets of four. it would help me remember things. i would touch my finger tips with my thumb on that hand in four sets of four and i might still do it subconsiously. i mentioned the wierd right?!


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What a great subject!

I'd just like to add a recommendation for another very good, non-101 book on Ogam, especially good for people who already have a basic understanding:

Ogam: Weaving Word Wisdom
by Erynn Laurie

She's a very competent writer; I'd recommend this book to anyone. :)


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