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rjmamula
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Post subject: Selling oneself Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:04 pm |
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Selling oneself is often not being oneself. This particularly applies to pursuing mates. And that is why it has been taght in Wiccan circles that it is wrong to cast a love spell for a particular person. No one should be force into a relationship they do not want to be in.
Now how does that apply to a professional level. Right now I am appling all over for jobs. Now my mom an I just had an argument that one of my problems with finding a job is I do not sell myself well. That I am not forceful enough and should not take no for an answer. And I got to thinking as I was first discovering Wicca "why should anyone have to sell oneself to pay their bills." On the one hand you don't want to work for someone who does not want you. On the other hand I know it is a harsh world.
The Wiccan Rede's comand about harming no one is one I have taken to such an extreme that I almost have come to despise sports. To win is to steal the benefits of winning from the losser. Maybe I am just bitter because I have usually been on the losing end of things, but I want to think losing has made me a better and more thoughtful person.
I will open it up to you now.
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ouroboros
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:59 pm |
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| Hod Sephira (Glory) |
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Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:43 pm Posts: 881 Location: Lying in the Sun on a hot rock in BC, Canada
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Unfortunately, selling oneself is just the way of the business world, and it is hard to self promote yourself because that takes a lot of self confidence. If you are a modest person it is hard to "crow" about your achievements. As you become more confident about your abilities, I think you will be more confident and comfortable in talking about your self. Selling yourself does not mean inflating your ablilities, just being honest about them and if you can't do something, admit it, they will teach you if they like you. Good Luck with your next interview.
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:53 am |
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I have to agree, when it comes to applying for a job you cant sell yourself short, and you shouldn't be pushy either. Confidence, is a must, prepare for the interview, look presentable. ect. most of all be the kind of person you would want to hire. Good Luck Elia V
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Briganta
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:32 am |
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rjmamula wrote: Selling oneself is often not being oneself. This particularly applies to pursuing mates. And that is why it has been taght in Wiccan circles that it is wrong to cast a love spell for a particular person. No one should be force into a relationship they do not want to be in.. Selling oneself doesn't equate with not being oneself if one sticks to the truth and doesn't blow oneself up to be something that one is not. Usually, interviewers will be able to spot someone embellishing their talents etc. As the others have said, you need to be able to truthfully speak of your positive points and talents with confidence if only to show that you believe in yourself. If YOU don't believe in yourself how can your prospective employers believe in you? Sports, to my way of thinking, is supposed to teach you how to take defeat gracefully but also to revel in the joyous feeling of being a winner whether that's as an individual or as part of a team. Briganta
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dreamweaver200011
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:35 am |
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Very wise words from some very wise witches,,,,and Briganta's explanation of sports is dead on as the Goddess wishes us to know both sides of life, not just the down side, but up as well ~ finding the balance is the journey. Believe in the person you are and have confidence in your own abilities and you'll find you won't be selling yourself short.
Blessings, Silver Firelite
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katherined
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:48 pm |
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Quote: To win is to steal the benefits of winning from the losser. I don't believe this is true and further, I think you are shortchanging yourself and others. To win the job you want, are qualified for and will fit in at, you will simply be stepping into what's yours already. When someone else wins the job they want--same thing. If your intentions are for your own good, you are qualified to contribute in a positive way and make a living, there's nothing wrong with that imo. It's easy to get discouraged in this economy, but persistence usually pays off. What everyone says is true here. First impressions are huge so appearance and knowledge about the company and the job will make a big difference. Keep up the efforts!
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miri
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:14 am |
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rjmamula wrote: Selling oneself is often not being oneself. This particularly applies to pursuing mates. And that is why it has been taght in Wiccan circles that it is wrong to cast a love spell for a particular person. No one should be force into a relationship they do not want to be in.. Yes, casting a spell for a particular problem does raise issues. However, spells to open yourself to love, positive affirmations, herbs and stones to boost confidence can assist in helping to find a mate. The act of magical makeup, staring into the mirror visualising yourself as confident and attractive as you apply your eyeliner, lipstick etc. is a wonderful way of improving self confidence. If you do not find yourself worthy, how can others. rjmamula wrote: Now how does that apply to a professional level. Right now I am appling all over for jobs. Now my mom an I just had an argument that one of my problems with finding a job is I do not sell myself well. That I am not forceful enough and should not take no for an answer. And I got to thinking as I was first discovering Wicca "why should anyone have to sell oneself to pay their bills." On the one hand you don't want to work for someone who does not want you. On the other hand I know it is a harsh world. . "Selling yourself" on a professional or personal level does not mean selling a false representation of who you are, it means being confident in yourself and your abilities. If you go into an interview (or a relationship for that matter) with your shoulders hunched, your head down and the belief that the prospective employer is not going to want you ... they probably wont. You get what you project. There is absolutely nothing wrong in admitting that YOU are RIGHT for the position you are applying for. If you have no experience, but are friendly and approachable and show a willingness to learn, thats going to make a much better impression than a person with experience but a surly attitude. I work in retail and in the hiring process, self confidence and a friendly manner is valued more than years of experience. If you dont have self confidence, it makes it hard and that is when you feel that you are doing the wrong thing by selling yourself. Make a list of your good points, friendliness, punctuality, attention to detail, dedication, etc. Dig deep and find all your positive traits, then concentrate on them, that is who you are and that is who you are selling. rjmamula wrote: The Wiccan Rede's comand about harming no one is one I have taken to such an extreme that I almost have come to despise sports. To win is to steal the benefits of winning from the losser. Maybe I am just bitter because I have usually been on the losing end of things, but I want to think losing has made me a better and more thoughtful person. I hate sports, I'm bad at sports, because of my physical limitations I was always picked last during school sports occassions. I have seen many bad losers, but almost as many bad winners. Being a winner does not make you better than the person you beat, but losing does not make you worse. Having a talent for sports is a gift, one I don't have, but one I can appreciate.
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:18 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:20 am Posts: 1110 Location: Baltimore MD
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I have to chime in here. I love sports. If I win a sparring contest then it is because I am better prepared, have spent more time to condition my body and prepare my mind to absorb the pain. When I step up to fight I do not steal, I take what the opponent does not guard, there is a huge difference. When I fight I know what I put on the line. If I lose I lose but I will hate that feeling. The Rede does not tell me to roll over and play dead. The Rede does say as long as you don't harm anyone you are free to do as you will. There is nothing in the Rede telling you what do if harm can't be avoided. I do not believe it is your responsibility to step aside and let other people who may be less qualified or less prepared for an interview stand in your way of getting the job you want. To take an example from recent history I don't think anyone here in the US particularly minds that George Washington did not act the way you interpret the Rede (apologies to our British friends here  )
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Charlie
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Post subject: Re: Selling oneself Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:33 pm |
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Merry Meet
I think selling oneself in the context of getting a job is not against the reede, It is just giving an acurate true picture of yourself for the purchaser (prospective new boss) to be able to make the best descision about who she/he is going to employ/hire.
I always think we in the UK are very good at selling ourselves short. If a man gives an english women a compliment they will get embaressed and give reasons why the man must be wrong (e.g. 'oh this old thing' or point out a defect etc.) If a man gives an american women a compliment they will say 'Oh thankyou very much'. Actually I think I'm stereotyping here and what I really mean is an unconfident women/person and a confident women/person.
There is nothing wrong with being confident in what you can do or who you are. If you can clean streets better than anyone else, be confident about it, be positive and sell that part of you. After all if we want a beautiful caring world then we need the best people to do the jobs that need doing. If you know deep in your heart that you can do the job and you can do the job well then go for it. Don't get hung up beating someone else because they may be better at something else.
The goddess isn't going to provide us with the perfect job just because we know deep inside that we are the best person for it. We have to put the effort in and prove we are the best person.
Suggest you read the DESIDERATA and good luck with getting a job you love.
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